August 30, 2011

The mouth that roars....

The big guy from across the pond has graced us again with a few utterings. As usual they are diverse, crude, off-the-wall, and somewhat hard to believe. He swears he is sober when he pens these things, but who knows? If they offend I apologize. For all you John Howland fans, check out this latest here in the Malamute Saloon.



Received word from Harold Lowenfels this morning that the NYC Tasforce website is now operational, and you can find it by typing . Do be aware that it is still a work in progress, and a few changes are yet to come.

I am excited about their site, and hope you will add it to your "favorites". Likewise do yourself a favor and register with them so that you will receive updates as they are happen. Without beating a dead horse this is a situation that will need our help for sometime. I feel certain we can make changes.



Thanks to Melissa Wise at White's Electronics for sharing this great article . Certainly one of the best I've seen in some time....


August 28, 2011


While my detecting has been on hold for what seems like months due to the excessive heat, a lot of other things are going on that worry me. We had success with the Carthage, Missouri situation, but the New York City Taskforce battle is just heating up, and I can’t seem to find enough people to join the army, and indeed we will need an army.

As detectorists we have faced limitations, discrimination, and rules and regulations hindering our participation in the pastime. We have won a few and we have lost a few. On the par that is not all that bad. At least we were fighting. Now, however, I don’t find that to be the case.

I understand human nature, and the old “if it doesn’t affect me it’s none of my business” but I do not understand the lack of caring when it comes to others who also want to enjoy the pastime of metal detecting. Metal detecting is such a minor thing in the overall scheme of life that it should not be subject to discriminatory actions by others. It’s not like we are asking for money, assistance, or food….just merely the right to pursue a hobby. A hobby that doesn’t hurt anyone.

I know that as I am typing this I repeating myself. How many times has this subject, this problem, come up? How many individuals and clubs have had to battle city hall for “stupid” reasons. Good example? The recent no detecting within 25 ft of trees in NYC Parks.

Did the folks who planted the beds above damage the trees?

When I send out requests for help via email to my email contacts the response is pretty good. If however I ask the same on the many metal detecting forums out there….absolutely nothing!! Lots of views, but no one willing to help or pass the information along. I think I get it in that you all just want to chat, brag about your finds, post your videos, find out if your detector is the best on the market and ask for places to search, but what I don’t get is your lack caring about others, and your inability to spend fifteen minutes to help.

Don Vickers is making an attempt to unite detectorists by state. See his Metal Detect My State Website. While the site is relatively new it’s not being inundated by detectorists offering to help. It’s an idea that needs to be considered because it’s apparent that national organizations are not as effective as they once were.

As you know I have been pushing hard for the NYC Taskforce's efforts to keep the parks in the city open, and without encumbrances. This particular effort is not just important for those living in the city, but for all of us. To tout a popular song “if we can make it there, we can make it anywhere”….

I do not get out detecting that much anymore, but for those of you who do it behooves you to get off your ass and help out when needed. I have decided that if this apathy continues over the next few months I will give up preaching, because evidently it hasn’t been to the choir.

Look for more from the NYC Taskforce soon, and here again is their plea for help....


To anyone who metal detects or otherwise supports this wholesome activity, we need and are asking for your help. The Task Force for Metal Detecting Rights has been advocating for the pastime for over 15 years. We have asked for help from time to time over this period, and some have stepped forward, but this time we need all to step forward to help us effect change. The Task Force asks that you write, email or phone the New York City Department of Parks and Recreation to request the following:

That metal detecting be removed from 'prohibited status' in NYC parks and that it be listed instead as a regulated activity.
That the arbitrary rule that prohibits metal detecting within 25' of a tree, be repealed.

These requests should be made to NYC Parks Commissioner Adrian Benepe and Assistant Comissioner Michael Dockett.

Adrian Benepe Michael Dockett
The Arsenal, Central Park The Arsenal North
830 Fifth Avenue 1234 Fifth Avenue, Rm. 213
New York, N.Y. 10065 New York, N.Y. 10029


Phone 212 360-1305 or 212 360-2778



The only other recreational activities that have "prohibited status" in NYC parks are aviation related and would clearly pose a danger to park patrons. All other recreational activities are designated as regulated uses.

The Task Force has presented evidence to the parks department,corroborated by "Colorado State University" and "Trees New York", that "One of the biggest killers of urban trees is soil compaction." It is clear that the act of retrieving a target located with a metal detector, relieves soil compaction and is therefore actually beneficial to trees. No other park activities, many of which do contribute to soil compaction have been excluded from this 25' circle around trees. (i.e. laying on a blanket).

"Trees New York" states that "Dog urine is acidic and the feces are high in nitrates, both are harmful to trees. There is no restrictive distance with respect to trees imposed on dogs in New York City parks. In fact, dogs even have off leash hours where they can roam around freely. With the arbitrary 25' rule in effect, a total area of 1962.5' of parkland around each tree is closed to metal detecting.


When I was in the Prospect Park on "Volunteers Day", we were all assigned tasks to do. I went out with a group to work on maintenance around trees ! Some of us were given shovels, some rakes and others were given PITCH FORKS ! Those with the pitch forks were told to turn the soil after the weeds and undergrowth were cleared away.

"Hmmmmm...think about that - pitch fork, digging in the soil around a tree - to help the tree."

When I lived in Ditmas Park Brooklyn, the neighborhood would get a group of volunteers together every Arbor Day, and we'd go around planting new trees to replace those that were gone for various reasons, and we'd also, under the direction of a representative of the Dept of Parks, "relieve the problems" around the local "tree pits". A tree pit is the area a live tree is growing out of, surrounded by the sidewalk cement. We would clean up the area, remove any decorative bricks or stones that were there, and turn the soil to relieve the compacted situation. This was all done under the supervision of Dept of Parks employees.


It's Sunday evening, and Hurricane Irene has done her thing. Many homes are flooded, and many have lost of power. It appears however that all in all she was not the storm many had said would devastate the entire East coast. I have been chatting with relatives and friends on the East coast, and all have fared pretty well. Few power outages, but no major damage.....

I have a sneaky feeling that the beaches along the Atlantic Seaboard will be filled with treasure hunters over the next few days, and that some very neat finds will emerge. Let me know if you are one of the lucky ones.

As for here in the Dallas area? Same ole, same's predicted temp is 107. I will add however that the 10 day forecast calls for temperatures in the mid to high 90's by the end of the week and just maybe some rain. If that happens I plan on streaking naked throught the streets of Dallas (don't expect to see any photo's here).


Thanks to Joey Ortega and his wife for the following video....


August 27, 2011


Hoping all my East coast friends are staying safe this weekend. I say that because I know for sure a great many are waiting to get to the beach once Irene has passed. Joe DeMarco of the South Jersey club kindly posted the following local cams on Facebook for all to see.....

Atlantic City
Sea Isle
Rockaway Beach (NY)

It's been over twenty four years but I do remember calling out of work, driving to the shore to meet up with just about every detectorist I knew..... Sometimes it paid off and sometimes not. It was always however better than work, and the huge gatherings for lunch would be worth the gas. In any case all you SOB's be safe!

Go figure....the Northeast is overly wet and getting more rain. Here? Haven't seen any reasonable rain in almost two months.....



Hope to have more info on the NYC Taskforce in a day or two, as well as some interesting articles/videos, etc.... In the meantime drop me a test email at . Just brought home new PC, and wading through all the various nuances. Thanks and good hunting....


August 23, 2011


Not much to report on this end. The weather continues to beat me down, and there's no light at the end of the tunnel. There was a time when the heat wouldn't bother me but those days are long gone. People here tell you that it's no problem. You go to work in your air-conditioned car, work in your air-conditioned place of business, drive home again in your air-conditioned car, and stay at home in your air-conditioned house.

What they don't tell you about? Expensive foundation repairs, over-the-top electric and water bills, dying lawns, sidewalk upheaval, and lots of wildfires. So far we there have been 16 heat related deaths here in the Dallas area. Wish I could come up with a good reason to live in Texas, but unfortunately I cannot. In the meantime I will keep buying that lotto ticket in hopes of escaping one day.

In the meantime I try to remember the cool breezes and he mist along the Oregon coast.....
photo by Fay Stout


The New York City Task force asks that you continue to email and write the Parks Commission (see pertinent contact info in the August 11th posting here). The Commission continues to respond with an old form letter from months ago, but we cannot let that stop the effort. Harold Lowenfels and his group are working on a further plan of action and have promised to keep me updated. If you have already taken the time write or email, write again and counter the comments in their form letter. In particular the 25 ft. rule around trees. We have been discrminated against for a lot of varied reasons, but this one is one of the dumbest yet.



In leiu of any uplifting information from this old fart let me at least share the following, compliments of Nigel Ingram at Regton, Ltd., Robbie Morin and Brian Mayer.

Archaeologists Comb Newly Found Civil War POW Camp

More on Anglo Saxon Hoard

FOR ALL YOU SOB'S (Sold on Beaches)


August 18, 2011


Just received the latest rant from Bubba in the UK, and you can find it in the Malamute Saloon's date. I hear from a lot of you about how much you enjoy his postings and this one will tickle your fancy too. Never sure if John is sober when he pens these outbreaks, but no matter....they are still lots of fun.



Simply put it's non-existent save for the beaches in South Texas. We are experience our 51st day of over 100 degrees, and the next ten day forecast calls for the same. Stinks that our lows overnight are higher than most area highs. Just another reason why I have to get out of here....

Take this forecast please....


Thank you all for the continuing's obvious that the Parks Commission is feeling the effect. The Task Force has noted that they are responding with the same ole form email they have been using for sometime, but we are keeping them busy, and they have to be taking note. Let's please keep them coming, and if you get a response, email again and share your thoughts. Use their response as a starting point.

There will be more news from the Task Force very soon, and I will post it as soon as I receive it. They are working hard on some ideas, and I feel certain we can win this if we are persistent. Please don't stop. See the contact info in my August 12th update.



By now you all must be familiar with Brian Mayer. Brian is a member of the South Jersey Treasure Hunting Club, and is responsible for many of the great beach hunting videos on YouTube. Be sure to check out all them out on Facebook.



As usual thanks to Nigel Ingram for the following info. If you are on Facebook be sure to check out Regton, Ltd.

Conservation of the Stafforshire Hoard
Detecting Finds to be in Exhibition



August 14, 2011


As you know I threw out the idea of a detectorist email database or vault, and asked for feedback. Well, I’ve been getting it, and wanted to follow up here....

There was an immediate response to this and I was amazed at the nature of the responses. I found myself saying..."whoa, what the hell was I thinking when I posted this.....?"

I found out that others were already thinking about this, and wanted to implement something quickly by contacting those on my mailing list, implying that they were my agents or that we were working together. That was a complete surprise and I had to email all of you again to let you know this was not the case.

A few people emailed me to say it was a great idea, and that their clubs or that their website would be the catalyst or focal point for getting it going. While I appreciated their interest I wondered how others would feel about this.

Then there were the nay-sayers telling me I was a dreamer, and that we were facing a losing battle. Others said we were too small to make a difference. One even suggested we pack it in....we were doomed.

While it is still early I can tell you that I did not have any response from the manufacturers. Suspect it was because they covet their email lists and do not want to even think of putting it out there for any reason.

I did receive a couple of lengthy emails from people I respect a great deal. One a very successful treasure hunter, and the other a retired exec from one of the major maufacturers. Their suggestion? Create state groups or organizations. Get the clubs within a geographical area to ban together to help each other out, and in turn support other like minded groups across the country. The Texas Council of Treasure Clubs has been in existence for quite sometime, and is still going strong, as are similar groups in the Northwest.

What do you think? Can we come up with State Organizations?

This concept of state organizations appeals to me in that it was what got the FMDAC started way back when. Now we are back to considering the same thing. Can this work? Who knows, but it would seem to me that this is the way we must go about it NOW given the current status quo.

This concept is exactly what Don Vickers had in mind when he started the Metal Detect My State site about a month ago, and I would urge all of you to go there, look it over, and if you like it, offer your support. It’s something that will take time, but in my mind it will be time well spent in that down the road we will have to send out alerts to just fifty states, fifty different emails, or fifty individuals and the process will be under way.

To those of you who responded, thank you. I will keep you posted on further responses if I receive them. In the meantime ponder this concept of state organizations and let me know what you think (jeez that scares the hell out of me already).



Back in September of last year Robbie Morin wrote to tell me about his interest in Camp Logan, a WW1 Training camp in Houston (see here. ) Metecting this site Robbie to learn more about it's history and he soon became an authority. The Buffalo Soldiers National Museum has once again asked Robbie to share his story, as well as his finds in a special exhibit commemorating the 94th anniversary of the Houston Riot. This special exhibit will run from August 1st through the end of September.

Robbie Morin's Camp Logan Display at The Buffalo Soldiers National Museum in Houston

Robbie has also put together the following video....

This is just another example of what metal detecting brings to the table. Yes we find neat things, but we all learn as we go, and often times it leads to a desire to know more. Robbie has been a frequent contributor here, and I cannot thank him enough. Congratulations Robbie and thanks again for sharing. If you would like to contact Robbie you can email him at



Thanks again to Nigel Ingam (Regton, Ltd.) for keeping me up-to-date with all things British.... Ancient Coins Found in Devon


August 12, 2011

Thanks to Jack Lowry for passing along this article from the Carthage, Missouri newspaper. It's just one victory, but one that we should give ourselves a pat on the back for. Our emails and letters made a difference, and that alone should give us impetus going into whatever the next skirmish might be (see the following NYC alert). I want to also praise the mayor and city council for their ability to see through the false accusations, and for seeing us as we really are. If only other cities were governed by like people.....

By John Hacker
The Carthage Press
Posted Aug 11, 2011 @ 12:54 PM

Carthage Mayor Mike Harris said “exaggerated and erroneous information” led the council to give preliminary approval to an ordinance controlling metal detecting in city parks.

At Harris’ request, the Carthage City Council tabled indefinitely final consideration of the ordinance that would have required anyone wanting to use a metal detector in a city park to sign a request sheet and turn any artifact that was older than 100 years over to the city.

The vote to table was unanimous.

“The passage of time made me kind of sit back and look at it less emotionally,” Harris said after Tuesday’s meeting. “Then we received many well-written letters from metal detectorists, if that is a word, and also there were historians who feel that they serve a vital role in uncovering artifacts, perhaps more vital than archeologists, who only do that for fees. Most of what we read really made sense and shed a different light on the subject.”

The bill was drawn up as a result of publicity given by the Springfield News-Leader in early July to a rural Carthage couple who found several Civil War-era bullets, including a bullet embedded in a piece of bone, while using a metal detector in a city park.

A Springfield archeologist wrote a letter to the newspaper chastising it for publicizing the find and chastising Carthage for not controlling metal detector use on city-owned property.

The couple showed their finds to Jasper County Records Center Director Steve Weldon, who said later that some of the statements in the newspaper article, such as one saying the couple dig a 5-foot-by-5-foot hole to uncover the artifacts, were not accurate.

“The article in the Springfield paper had gross mis-statements, an example of one was that the people that found that artifact uncovered a 25-square-foot area,” Harris said. “That’s ridiculous.”

Harris said he’s convinced that hobbyists are generally an honorable bunch and will work with the city if anything of historic value is found. “If you go to the Civil War Museum and to the courthouse civil war museum, you will see that numerous artifacts there have been donated by citizens that, I’m sure, found them and felt obligated to share that with the public,” Harris said. “I think by and large, that would happen with most people.”


First, sorry I didn't get the following info up this morning. Got tied up with things here at home and I apologize.....

I received the following email from Harold Lowenfels, and offer it here as it came in. I also want to thank Harold and the New York City Taskforce for allowing me to part of their effort. They have copied me on all their plans, thoughts, meetings and trusted in me (must be the Yankee thing.....!) Seriously guys thanks. I appreciate it.


To anyone who metal detects or otherwise supports this wholesome activity, we need and are asking for your help. The Task Force for Metal Detecting Rights has been advocating for the pastime for over 15 years. We have asked for help from time to time over this period, and some have stepped forward, but this time we need all to step forward to help us effect change. The Task Force asks that you write, email or phone the New York City Department of Parks and Recreation to request the following:

That metal detecting be removed from 'prohibited status' in NYC parks and that it be listed instead as a regulated activity.
That the arbitrary rule that prohibits metal detecting within 25' of a tree, be repealed.

These requests should be made to NYC Parks Commissioner Adrian Benepe and Assistant Comissioner Michael Dockett.

Adrian Benepe Michael Dockett
The Arsenal, Central Park The Arsenal North
830 Fifth Avenue 1234 Fifth Avenue, Rm. 213
New York, N.Y. 10065 New York, N.Y. 10029


Phone 212 360-1305 or 212 360-2778



The only other recreational activities that have "prohibited status" in NYC parks are aviation related and would clearly pose a danger to park patrons. All other recreational activities are designated as regulated uses.

The Task Force has presented evidence to the parks department,corroborated by "Colorado State University" and "Trees New York", that "One of the biggest killers of urban trees is soil compaction." It is clear that the act of retrieving a target located with a metal detector, relieves soil compaction and is therefore actually beneficial to trees. No other park activities, many of which do contribute to soil compaction have been excluded from this 25' circle around trees. (i.e. laying on a blanket).

"Trees New York" states that "Dog urine is acidic and the feces are high in nitrates, both are harmful to trees. There is no restrictive distance with respect to trees imposed on dogs in New York City parks. In fact, dogs even have off leash hours where they can roam around freely. With the arbitrary 25' rule in effect, a total area of 1962.5' of parkland around each tree is closed to metal detecting.


When I was in the Prospect Park on "Volunteers Day", we were all assigned tasks to do. I went out with a group to work on maintenance around trees ! Some of us were given shovels, some rakes and others were given PITCH FORKS ! Those with the pitch forks were told to turn the soil after the weeds and undergrowth were cleared away.

"Hmmmmm...think about that - pitch fork, digging in the soil around a tree - to help the tree."

When I lived in Ditmas Park Brooklyn, the neighborhood would get a group of volunteers together every Arbor Day, and we'd go around planting new trees to replace those that were gone for various reasons, and we'd also, under the direction of a representative of the Dept of Parks, "relieve the problems" around the local "tree pits". A tree pit is the area a live tree is growing out of, surrounded by the sidewalk cement. We would clean up the area, remove any decorative bricks or stones that were there, and turn the soil to relieve the compacted situation. This was all done under the supervision of Dept of Parks employees.

The New York City effort is something that we can win if we keep at it, and persistence will be the key word here. I have never run into a more dedicated bunch of detectorists..... They have been at this for sometime, and no matter the roadblock they keep coming back. Let's give this our best effort, and understand that it will take time. Fighting city hall in New York is not quite like fighting city hall in Podunk. We need to let everyone know of this situation, and we need to keep beating the drum. Send your email, your letter or your phone call. Then do it again, and again and again....



As you may remember John Howland sent a letter to the Carthage Councilmen, and apparently it helped in their decision making. After hearing the outcome he sent me his "in your face" response..... Read it here . If it seems like John doesn't like the Archaeological community you just might be right....



Hope you understand the importance of my last few updates..... to me they were far more important than any finds made out there. I don't like dwelling on detrimental ordinances, laws, regulations, etc....

My own detecting has been on hold for sometime because of the heat, the drought and the aches and pains. Hopefully next time I can offer more. I will add that I have received quite a few responses concerning my idea about a metal detecting email vault or database. After reading the initial batch I wondered...."what the hell was I thinking". I will add more in a day or two...


August 10, 2011


Tim Garton (Metal Detector Sales of Southwest Missouri) just emailed me, and said that the Carthage Council tabled the motion, and will not be bringing it up again. They evidently researched much of what the Archaeologist had to say, and realized he was not giving the complete picture. They were also amazed at the number of letters they received from around the country, and even one from England (thanks Bubba...owe you another pint). Thanks to all you who took the time to write...we can indeed make a difference.

Having said this....look for another plea for help tomorrow. I received an email from the NYC Task Force, and will post it here in the morning....



August 8, 2011


I got thinking about the recent request for help in Carthage, Missouri, as well as the one from the New York City Taskforce, and came up with an idea that I’d like some feedback on. Hopefully you will give me it....

I sent off an email to maybe fifty of my detecting friends, requesting their help in both instances. The response was pretty darn good, or at least it appeared so on my end. The number of hits on that page of my website shot up dramatically, and I started receiving copies of letters and emails sent in support. It was apparent that many people do read their emails, and a reasonable percentage act on the content.

Having said all this, why can’t we have a detectorist email vault where as soon as a request for help is put out, everyone who ever swung a detector would know about it instantly. Yes I know clubs, organizations already do this, but I am talking about something on a much larger scale. Not sure how it could be put together, but with today’s technology it shouldn’t be difficult.

To make any such effort successful the manufacturers would have to be part of it, and they would have to agree to pass along these alerts to everyone on their mailing list. Would they agree to this? I see no reason why they should refuse. No one would be giving up any confidential information....they would merely be passing along important information that ultimately would benefit them in the long run.

It’s a very simple idea really. If I send out emails to ten people, and they do the same, and the folks they contact continue the effort....? The problem we have today is that we are a small group of hobbyists, and getting noticed is often difficult. We need to make more of an impact, and we need to find a way to do it now. I know emails and/or letters don’t always get the job done, but a massive response would certainly make more people take notice.

Okay, let me know what you think. I will send this blurb out to those I have contacted recently, as well as the manufacturers and let’s see what happens. I will keep you posted.


August 6, 2011


First, John Howland just emailed me, and asked that I put up a quick blurb in the Malamute Saloon regarding the Carthage, Missouri situation. John was and has always been a fighter for our pastime, and was part of the UK efforts that now allow detectorists to be reembursed for their finds should the state/country decide it has value. I will always bow to John in this regard, and I urge you to read his comments in the Malamute Saloon. You can access it quickly by clicking here.

Harold Lowenthal of the NYC Task Force also copied me on his email to the Carthage Council, and I offer it here for those who might like to get ideas for their message.... Thanks Harold.... great job as usual.

Honorable Mayor Mike Harris and City council members,

RE: August 9th vote

Next Tuesday, August 9th 2011, the good City Council of Carthage, Missouri is scheduled to vote on a proposed new ordinance that if passed, would severely limit the enjoyment of this pastime for responsible hobbyists and also severely limit the information and knowledge about our past, that these individual's discoveries bring to the public forum.

In Great Britain, metal detector enthusiasts are looked upon in a favorable light. Fully 90% of the artifacts displayed in British Museums were discovered by metal detectorists. In Great Britain, detectorists are rewarded for their finds with fair market value if it is thought that the find is unique enough to be publicly displayed. If this is not the case, the artifact is returned to the finder. Here in America, detectorists often donate their finds of historical significance to authorities, ask only that they be publicly displayed and that they be given proper public credit for the find. It appears that this was also the Burki's intention, as they did the right thing, by promptly notifying a public official. The information and artifacts gained from the Burki's and other metal detectorist enthusiasts like them, costs the taxpayer in the City of Carthage,nothing. Compare this to the salary of an Archeologist. The Director of The Jasper County Records Center, Steve Welden has got it right when he says that the City of Carthage and Archeologists should work closely with metal detecting enthusiasts so that more information can be collected and artifacts discovered for public display. Leave them in the ground and they will continue to deteriorate and rot away.

Metal Detecting is a pastime that is enjoyed by young and old alike, is a family activity for many, and supports a largely American Industry in a time of economic vulnerability. For all the reasons stated, and many more that I declined to list so as not to make this message too long, I strongly urge that on August 9th, the City Council of Carthage reject the bill before them. It's passage, would be a disservice to the good citizens of Carthage.

Thank you for your consideration,

Harold S. Lowenfels, Co-Chair/Task Force for Metal detecting Rights



Robbie Morin, my good friend from Houston, sent along a recent video about the Lost My Stuff Group , and just perhaps the folks in Carthage should watch it. A great example of what we are about, and why we shouldn't be treated like second class citizens. Please watch THIS and pass along....I love this group.


August 4, 2011


Wanted to share couple more letters/views on the current situation in Carthage, Missouri. John Howland's response will be attached to mine and sent to the council members there.... Thanks Denny and John. Owe you both a beer (Okay John, a pint!).

Council Member Mr. Ed Hardesty

Dear Sir,

It has come to my attention that the City of Carthage will be voting on a ordinance limiting metal detecting on City property. If this ordinance passes, it will prohibit anyone using a metal detector from keeping anything that is 100 years old or older, and if they do find anything of that age, it must be turned into the City.

All of this came to light because of two honest relic hunters who contacted a city official of Carthage MO. They were trying to do the right thing, as would any person who metal detects.

I found the news article from the News-Leader very informative and interesting. What I found disturbing however was the fact Mr. Lopinot, an Archaeologist was so intent on bringing down these two people, who had tried to show respect, by saving a little history for the citizens of your city to learn about it's past.

Mr Lopinot said in one of the letters that at the Battle of the Little Big Horn Archaeologists found so many interesting items there. He forgot to mention however that after the grass fire there, metal detecting clubs were called in to help find buried relics, and as many as 150 people volunteered their time to help with the effort.

I have been metal detecting now for over 25 years, and have donated many of my finds to museums. In fact one museum had only a drawing of a War of 1812 fort site. I donated several bullets, as well as buttons, and now they can at least show that there really was a Fort McGarther near their city...not just in a drawing.

I have also volunteered my time to a local Archaeological group, and helped to find relics from a historical site near Toledo, Ohio.

I would like to commend City Administrator Tom Short and his staff for adding a preamble to the ordinance, and also to Steve Weldon, director of the Jasper County Records Center for his insight about the metal detecting hobby, and what good it can do for everyone involved.

I hope that the City of Carthage, Mo. will do the right thing, and continue to support the local citizens who enjoy the hobby of metal detecting. I think a permit is a very good idea. Maybe a local detector dealer could even give classes on the correct recovery procedures. I hope you will reconsider the 100 year limit, and permit persons using a metal detector to enjoy their hobby, and allow them to continue to show how they respect and save their local history.


Dennis L. Morrison

Bluffton, Ohio

John Howland, who frequently rants here in the Malamute Saloon, emailed me the following, and I will be attaching it to my letter today......

John Howland

4 August 2011

Dear Dick

I’m sorry to learn the good Burghers of Carthage MO, are taking the same course of action that was so prevalent in the UK until common sense prevailed. If it’s any help in bringing about a sensible conclusion to this situation, you may show or circulate the contents of this letter to whomever you deem relevant.

Metal detecting is a following with its own methodology, terminology and ethics. It is the only method of research able to locate non-structural locations of historic interest such as sheep markets, fairground sites, and other assembly places where people met for diverse reasons. Wherever people in numbers congregate, there will be casual losses, and it is from the recovery of these casual losses with metal detectors, that these places can be determined with more or less certainty.

Unlike conventional archaeology, metal detecting is pro-active research as opposed to the re-active kind of which conventional archaeology is the prime example. Conventional archaeologists neither have the time, nor the will to engage in the kind of research amateur metal detectorists find so absorbing.

It must be understood that metal detecting is not a replacement for traditional archaeology, nor intended to be. It is a very useful adjunct especially when right thinking archaeologists have the wit and wisdom to use detectorists what data detectorists amass. The UK experience, especially the voluntary Portable Antiquities Scheme, where detectorists finds have become a valuable part of the overall historical picture, only because influential archaeologists and historians realised the valuable contribution amateur researchers have made and are making to the overall historical image.

Therefore, stifling metal detecting, simply on the basis of prejudice against an alternative method of research, reflects rather badly but not unexpectedly on the local archaeologists. The Carthage councillors are allowing themselves to be swayed by a well-presented, but grossly ill-informed nonsense. Indeed, Carthage’s councillors are not plainly unable to recognise this nonsense, nor have they bothered to discover what the metal detecting hobby is all about by asking the experts – the hobbyists themselves or their representative body, the FMDAC.

We all have a common heritage and we should all be allowed to research it.

Denying this common right to one section of the community simply because another group is opposed to it, is putting local democracy on a very rocky road - the same road that Adolf Hitler set out on! Is this what past Carthage’s war veterans of two world wars fought and died for? I think not.

Yours truly

John Howland


Received these tibits from my good friend Nigel Ingram at Regton, Ltd., UK. Note that this info comes from a new page they have created, and it's purpose is to keep you up-to-date on finds, tips and all things metal detecting. Do your self a favor and check in often.... Lots of great information and tips.

Detectorist uncovered England’s western-most Roman town
Project to map ancient landscape of England


Thanks to White's Electronics for the following article. Love it when the very young show us all a thing or two....

Rare 1655 Coin Discovered On Fenwick Beach


This week has been the hottest yet, and today marks the 34th straight day of over 100 degrees. Average temps this week? 108 and no relief in sight. It's now dangerously hot, and folks here simply avoid going out for anything. So forget about my sharing any metal detecting finds anytime soon, and if you are having great weather, finding lots of neat things...STUFF IT!

Just kidding...please send along anything and everything you want to share. I appreciate it.


August 3, 2011


David Main from the Tidewater Coin & Relic Club, responded to the situation in Carthage, and sent me a copy of his letter. I want to share it because it's tells our side of the story and sets a tone that the reader will hopefully understand. Thanks David for allowing me to share it here.... I will try to offer more letters if I receive them in order for you to get ideas on how to compose yours.

Dear Carthage City Council,

I am writing to you as a concerned Metal Detectorist. I am the current President of the Tidewater Coin and Relic Club, located in Norfolk Virginia. (TC-RC)

I read several articles on the recent discovery of Civil War artifacts by the Burki’s, and the reaction of local archaeologists on how matters like this should be dealt. As a Virginia native, I am very proud of our Civil War heritage. I am hopeful that you all are proud of your town’s place in history during this time too. I read that Carthage had over 500 residents by the time the Civil War began. Evidently, there was great growth after the Civil War, with a Rail Road, Foundry, Mills and other important businesses building up the area helping put Carthage on the National Register of Historic Places.

The heart of this email is to say that “Detectorists” are people, constituents, fathers, mothers, leaders, followers, visitors with vacation dollars, taxpayers. We live on the same earth as everyone else. We lose things like everyone else. We like to see what is under our feet, unlocking the earth’s hidden treasures. We are also refuse removers, cleaning up what slobs have left behind. Pop tops, beer cans, junk galore. Responsible Detectorists go by a code of ethics. Leaving an area in better condition than it was found. Being Respectful of others. Obeying the law. All these things we do to help protect our hobby and livelihood.

I ask that you think about the future, not just the present minute, of metal detecting in your parks and other public areas. I have not been to Carthage. But as you were in the news, I now have the knowledge of how you started, and what you have become. With your Mayor – Council system, it looks and reads like you do what the “people” want, not what the “person” wants. If the 100 year rule is engaged, I see it being problematic as now someone has to be the overseer on finds, and has to be a great reader of history to make the call on something’s age. Truly, if a Detectorist finds a 1901 Indian Head Penny, responsibly turns it in as being over 100 years old, what will become of that penny?

Thank you for your time and consideration,

David Main

Norfolk, Virginia


August 2, 2011


I received the following information from Harry Niemeyer, who received it from Mark Schussler, Legislative Officer of the FMDAC. Please read through it and respond accordingly. Your letter and mine could make the difference. I offer this exactly as it was sent to me....

Aug 1, 2011 10:36:13 PM, wrote:

Important call for assistance. Please send out far and wide (and fast).

The city of Carthage, MO will be voting on an ordinance to limit metal detecting on city property. This vote is scheduled for Aug. 9. It had a first reading at the July 26 meeting and appears to be headed for an easy pass.

The links below will fill you in on some of the details. I have not seen the actual proposed ordinance. Only know that it will use the “100 year rule”. The bill does not appear on the cities website. However the last link is an important read before you make any contacts. It appears that they do not want to inhibit metal detecting. They are being misled and even bullied by some elitist archaeologists.

Here is the short version. A couple was featured in a front-page newspaper article on metal detecting on city property. They were finding civil war items and also dug a bone with a bullet lodged in it. They contacted a city official and showed the finds to him along with divulging the location. They did the proper thing. Along comes an archaeologists from the state university chastising them and the city in a letter to the editor. Now there is a knee jerk law proposed. The archaeologists want a total ban.

Please make sure you read this to the end before taking any action. Then please act.

Here are the links;|head



Here are the contacts for the mayor and the council members. You will notice that the email addresses are all the same. I would suggest placing each persons name in the subject line and copying your message to each one. You could also call or snail mail them. At the bottom are some items you may wish to bring up. Put them in your own words of course.

Mayor Mike Harris
Phone: (417) 358-5940

Council Member Claude Newport- 1st Ward
Phone: (417) 358-1307
Fax:(417) 358-7528

Council Member Jim Swatsenbarg-1st Ward
Phone: (417) 358-1690

Council Member Timothy Teed- 2nd Ward
Phone: (417) 310-2875

Council Member John Studebaker- 3rd Ward
Phone: (417) 358-0792

Council Member Steve Leibbrand-3rd Ward
Phone: (417) 358-3918

Council Member Dan Rife- 4th Ward
Phone: (417) 850-7455

Council Member John Cooper- 4th Ward
Phone: (417) 359-6748

Council Member Brent Greninger- 5th Ward
Phone: (417) 358-7858

Council Member Ed Hardesty- 5th Ward
Phone: (417) 358-4708

1. The archaeologist mentions the excavations at the Little Big Horn (Custer) battlefield. He slyly fogets to mention that the archaeological survey was conducted by approximately 150 people swinging metal detectors.

2. This is a knee jerk reaction to some archaeologists personal power agenda. These university arcaheologists do not control the city or have any say so at all in it. He has no more say so in the cities laws than any other citizen. The city should not allow itself to be bullied by someone on a power trip who thinks that archaeologists are the only people who have a right to history.

3. Was there a problem in the past with metal detecting? Suddenly there is a problem. Why? It was created by an archaeologist who has his underwear in a knot because something was found and he did not get credit for it. If these sites are so important then ask them when they are going to excavate them. The reply will be when someone pays them to do it.

4. Metal detectorists are more then happy to show and display their finds. Most will gladly share the information with the city if asked. Provided the finds are not going to be confiscated and they are not made into criminals.

5. A 100 year rule is absurd. This makes a 1910 wheat penny off limits. If something must be enacted then simply protect known but important historical sites without setting any limits on all items in all areas. Most items found are worth little and of no use to the city. It will only cost the city money to administer and police the policy. And make criminals out of decent honest people.

6. Archaeologists routinely call us grave robbers and looters. I do not know of any metal detector users who have ever dug a grave. Archaeologist dig graves! We do not desecrate graves. Archaeologists do! Our items are available for anyone to see. The archaeologists lock them away in some basement or in their own personal collections and no one is allowed to see them.

Remember to be polite but informative. These council members may know very little, if anything at all about the metal detecting hobby and they do appear to be fair minded. They may only know what they are being fed by these archaeologists. You need to educate them.

Thank you,
Mark Schuessler
FMDAC Legislative Officer

July 30, 2011


Know a lot of you get tired of my bitching about the weather in Texas, and I am sorry. It's just unbearably hot, and unbearably unpleasant to deal with. When it's like this everyone here drives to their air condtdioned place of work (if they are lucky), works the day, and then drives home to their air conditioned home (if they are lucky). Forget dawdling, forget stopping here or there for this and that. It's just that hot and that uncomfortable. The locals still try to convince me that this is living the good life, but I wasn't born yesterday.....

As for metal detecting? Forget it. Ain't going to happen, and I don't care how dedicated you are, I am not going to suffer a heat stroke to find a few pennies. We still have all of August left (our driest and hottest month of the year) and I fear the in my house's foundation once again having to be adjusted, my lawn dying, my sidewalks buckling, and my water/electric bills going through the roof. offense. Texas is just not my cup of tea!

Barnum is pissed too....

Today was our 28th straight day of over 100 degrees, and no relief in sight. Tuesday's predicted high? 109!!! The yellow rose of Texas has long dried up and died!



For those of you sometimes trek to the UK, here is the latest listing of club events and rallies thanks to Nigel Ingram at Regton, Ltd., UK. If by chance you are heading over there, it might be nice to try and attend one of these events.... sure to change your idea of what an organized hunt should be (and if you are lucky they may even have a pub tent!)

Nigel Ingram also sent along this follow-up to the recent find in Wales, and this article from the BBC News website.



Ron Guinazzo, a.k.a. "Chicago Ron" does more to promote this pastime than anyone I know.... Just key in Chicago Ron on YouTube and you will find lots of his videos, all informative and inspiring. I watch them and get envious.... He was recently featured in this Wall Street Journal Article

Ron is a member and former president of the Midwest Historical Research Society in Chicago, and having dealt with this club way back in the early years of the FMDAC, I want to tell you it's one of the best around.

Thanks Ron for all you do.....





Robbie Morin, my good friend out of Houston made me aware of "The Lost My Stuff Group" a while back, and I am impressed by their efforts. They received another notice in this recent writeup in a Maryland newspaper. To find out more about this group check out their website at


This video from "Take 1 Creations" speaks for itself....enjoy!



If you enjoy video taping your searches or considering it, be sure to check out this new digital camera mount from my good friend Neil Schwartz....

If you are interested in purchasing one of these mounts you can do so by going to Neil's website Neil in West Jersey . It should be available the end of August, and the price is $14.99 plus $2.50 for S&H. No matter your decision you will find lots of great reading and useful information there .


July 26, 2011


If you are looking for finds, or recommendations on where to go, how to set your detector up, forget it. Today marks the 23rd day of over 100 degrees, and we are forecasted with more of the same for the next ten days. I will not hunt in this God forsaken weather, and as such I don't have a lot to offer. The ground is dry, parched and has big fissures.....if you have never dug down fifteen inches and found a clad penny, come to Texas. Added into my search for a new job, it's been a depressing few days.

Jackhammer anyone?

Don Vickers

Don Vickers has a new website and a plan to help unite those of us in the pastime in a unique way. Given the lack of communication from some of the national groups, Don wants to work it from the state level. When you look at the Texas Council of Treasure Clubs, it's an idea worth the effort, and I hope you will check out Metal Detect My State . If you like what you see and agree with the concept I know Don would love to hear from you. If the project is to be successful he needs input, and most important help, as in someone to start the ball rolling in each state.

You can send Don a note at . I can also recommend Don's personal website Don's Metal Detecting Forum . Love the masthead of Don detecting.....great photo!



Cy Schaefer got a nice writeup recently in the St. Cloud (Minn) Times.

Thanks to Brian Mayer for this update from the South Jersey Treasuer Hunters.
When I watch Brian's videos I think about the 105 temps we've been having and I get just a little jealous...

Thanks as well to Nigel Ingram for this recent discovery , and for this heads up on the Staffordshire Hoard.


July 20, 2011


Sorry I haven't been on here in a while....lot of things going on in my life, and one of them unfortunately is to find a new job. Most of you know I work for Border's Books and Music, and have since September 1992. It's been a great company to work for, but over the past four or five years the book business has taken a nose dive, and what was once a very vibrant company is now in the throes of liquidating over 300 stores, laying off close to 11,000 employees.

For the past five or so years I only worked part time, but always looked forward to going to work because of my fellow employees. Border's was always known for it's diversity and that never wavered over the years. I can truly say I have been privileged to work with some of the finest people I have ever met, and while many have come and gone over time, we still remain close and stay in touch.

In any case life goes on, and I will stay on through the liquidation, and then look for another "interesting" job. I say that because it's always been important that I enjoy going to work. Don't get me wrong...I have had jobs that I hated, but it was because of them that I learned money wasn't always the answer to being happy. I also understand it's not easy finding a job where you will be happy, and still have money to pay the bills. Life is a tradeoff in so many ways. If you possibly can....follow your dreams.

Anyway if you know of a job where I can use my brain, sit on my butt and make a million dollars, let me know. I might be interested....



The weather here in the Dallas area is still extremely hot and dry. I believe today marks the 19th straight day of 100 degrees or higher. The record was set back in 1980 with 40 straight days of over 100 degrees. What scares me is that there is no relief in sight, and we still have he rest of July and all of August to go. Look out record book!

As a result I have not been out detecting, and don't expect to for some time. My good friend Michel Tocque is in Spain doing his thing, and keeps sending me photos just to break my heart. Just maybe later this year we will hit the beaches of Normandy and Brittany again. In the meantime, let me know what you are finding. Will be happy to share your good luck here...



Thanks to Joe Cook and Ina Finn for making me aware of the following stories......
Treasure Hunters find Gold in Unlikely Places
Watching the Detectors

And this from Nigel Ingram, Regton, Ltd.



When I don't go out, as in 100 degree heat, I think about food, cooking and sometimes even wine. I dug out an old recipe from Emeril Lagasse Sunday night, and if you are interested you can find it here. If nothing else, it's a good excuse to have a cold beer!

Sausage and White Bean Casserole



This has nothing at all to do with metal detecting or treasure hunting but it's important and something I feel strongly about....

From what I hear, a lot of the country is dealing with extreme heat. If this pertains to you, and you have pets, especially pets outside, make sure they have plenty of water, and a place to stay out of the sun. Better yet, consider bringing them inside.... If you find this difficult to do, take them to a no-kill shelter or rescue society. They deserve better....

Photo by Anthony Marr....


July 14, 2011


Oh yeah, he's back..... the big bubba from across the pond has graced us with another episode of British BS. Having said that it's often pretty funny, and at times even enlightening. I will leave the adjectives and critiques up to you however. You will find his latest literary achievement here.



The New York City Taskforce recently sent the following letter to the Parks Commission, regarding their concession (at least they see it that way) on detecting near trees. There are many ideas floating around, and Harold & Avery have promised to keep us updated.....

Hi Rebecca,

The 50' rule has now become the 25' rule. You are correct in your assumption that we are disappointed in this decision. In fact, the Task Force and the Metal Detecting Community, are deeply upset with the entire concept of a "restrictive distance rule".

We believe that the overwhelming evidence presented by the Task Force at our June 13, 2011 meeting showed that the newly imposed 50' rule was based on flawed reasoning, and that its complete repeal was warranted.

Parks, on the other hand, presented no evidence that metal detecting was detrimental to the health of trees.

Based on the above, the Task Force will continue its efforts to have the new 25', or any restrictive distance rule, repealed. This effort will be one of our primary objectives, and based on the mandate from our constituents, this effort must and will continue until any restrictive distance rule is eliminated.

The Task Force will be exploring other means to remedy this perceived problem which 40 plus years of metal detecting in NYC parks has proven does not exist.


Harold S. Lowenfels and Avery Marder

Co-chairs. Task Force for Metal Detecting Rights


While sharing Mark Mays great find with you (see below) I knew I had a similiar coin in the my finds box. I knew it was a large cent, and from the late 1700's, and needless to say my juices were flowing. After a little digging around I did indeed find the coin, and knew why it rang a bell. It's a 1796 Draped Bust Large Cent (LIHERTY error), in what I would call Good to Very Good condition....

Liherty error coin/obverse
Liherty error coin/reverse

I found this coin at an old homesite in Lahaska, Pennsylvania sometime in the early 80's. It was a dilapidated old colonial home located just off highway 202, and was barely visible from the road. After driving by it numerous times I finally got my nerve up, and stopped at a neighbors house to find who owned it. The neighbor was very kind, and told me the owner of the property was very old, and in a nursing home somewhere in Philadelphia. He told me he didn't think there would be any problem detecting the grounds since they were so unkept. I did the the unthinkable and returned with my detector.

What I remember about detecting this site was that I only found "two" coins in about five or six trips there....the coin shown above, and a very old British coin of no value. What was also strange was that the soil was super soft and pourous,,,,,,like digging in a mulch pile. I found the above coin the first trip, and couldn't wait to return. Other than the British coin I never found another. I had to attribute the decent condition of his coin to the soil or lack thereof.

Unfortunately, while worth a few dollars, it comes no where near the $4,000 Mark realized for his coin...



Found a few older photos from trips across the pond, and posted them to the Photos link (Photos 17). Probably won't mean much to anyone than those in the photos, but my goal is post what I have here for posterity....

Couple of those just added to Photos 17......

So what else is new here in my neck of the woods.....? How about this!
Welcome to Texas!!


July 9, 2011


Over the past couple of weeks Ty Brook and I have been been chatting about detectors, and in particular the older detectors that we both cut our teeth on. And yes I know you are tired of my promoting the return of knobs/switches and buttons, and will forgo any more mention here. I will also admit that as the computer age began I was more than enthused about all the possibilites, the bells and whistles, the more definitive target readouts, and I jumped in full force. Today I still want these computer age features, but I want them "ready to go" as in "turn on and go"..... I know one size will not fit all, but somewhere out there is a "middle of the road" compromise that could do the job.

Ty, as you know, has been writing the "Tech Talk" column for Western & Eastern Treasures for many years, and is a wealth of knowledge when it comes to how they work. He put his electronic know how to work, and designed his own water detector. He called it a Compadre (as in Tesoro), and I questioned him in that the Compadre is not a water machine?

Ty's modified Compadre unit.....

He answered...."Yes, the Tesoro Compadre however is quite a detector for the price, and I wanted a water detector and didn't like the ones out there on the market. I had an SMPI case, a Compadre and the know how to put the board in the case, make it waterproof and compared to many water detectors, it is extremely light weight. The only external control on the Compadre is the on/off/disc control. I optimized all the controls on the board for maximum sensitivity. I set the disc control (now internal) on the dry sand to just reject bobby pins and nails. Now I just jump in the water and dig every target I hear."

"The Compadre is sensitive to targets in the gold conduction range, and with the 5.75 coil it's very easy to pinpoint. Also it's response to small targets, including chains, is unequaled by any detector I'm aware of. By my calculation, I have a reliable waterproof detector assembled by me for about 175 bucks''.

Damn, I hate clever people, but it's something I would expect Ty to come up with.... I highly recommend Ty's book "Inside Treasure Hunting". You will learn more about detectors in this one book, and it's filled with lots of tips from a seasoned pro....

If you are interested you can order a copy directly from Ty by sending $10.95 to:

Tylon Brook
1324 Union Academy Road
Ramer, AL 36069

Price includes first class mailing....


You can always count on Ron Guinazzo to keep the treasure hunting juices flowing. His YouTube videos are always fun, but his latest is just terrific. See for yourself...

As always, thanks Ron......great job and look forward to the next video....



Not a lot of good news coming out of the recent talks with the Parks Commission in New York City. So far the only change is that they have shortened the distance a detectorist can be from a tree. What was 50 ft. is now 25.... Given the number of trees in a park, not to mention the various sizes, this is not much of a concession at all.

According to president Harold Lowenfels, "The task force has not yet met to decide how to respond to the 25' rule. We have already informed parks that keeping us any distance from trees was a flawed concept and unacceptable. We have submitted a list of 32 additional NYC parks that we are requesting to be added to the permit. We fully expect that they will deny most of these, but we may gain a couple."

Harold has promised to keep us informed on this issue.....



Mark Mays, member of the South Jersey Metal Detecting Club, recently sold one of his finds at auction. The coin, a 1797 Large Cent (stems) sold for $4,025. While many thought it should have brought more, it's still not a bad return on a penny....

Mark told me he found the coin back in March, and it was his first signal at a wooded site near Cherry Hill, New Jersey. Ironically it started to downpour, and all he wanted to do was keep his detector dry. As a result he grabbed the coin, ran through the bushes, bloodying his arms in the process. When he got back to his truck he finally got a better look at the coin, and knew it was something special. Mark found the coin with a Minelab detector at a depth of around 12 inches.



Local newspapers, as well as TV stations are starting to pay a little more attention to us, and I think it's because of the efforts of people like Ron Guinazzo (see above) and Keith Wills (Texas Council of Treasure Clubs). The return of valuables to their owners, the assistance given to local law enforcement agencies, and the giving of our time to teach the handicapped, go a long way toward promoting what it is we do, and we must continue to share these stories whenever possible....

Here's another recent newspaper article from the West Coast.... Thank you Gil Rivera.



Added another recipe to the Poor Gourmand, and I think it's one you will like. Goes great with a cold beer, and a ballgame on the TV. If you are interested, you will find it here



Rather than take up a lot of space with my forays into the field, and what I've found, I will simply forward you HERE. Enough said....


July 5, 2011


You are probably tired of me harping on this, but when will the manufacturers bring back the hardware, as in knobs, switchs, push buttons, etc...? I understand the need to computerize the world, and to render us useless when it comes to making decisions, but I yearn for the days when you felt like you were personally in control. Yes, I know that doesn't make much sense, because if nothing else, you can control a everything imaginable with today's top of the line models. There was just something more personal about turning a knob or hitting a switch compared to pushing a pad. A sign of getting old? Of course, but you won't change my mind. Just seems those old machines had character......

Some of my all time favorites
Early Master Hunters from Garrett
6000Di Series2 from Whites
(I am still looking for a used one)
Compass Models from the late 80's
The Early Teknetics

My friend Ty Brook is right there with me on this subject, and not too long ago I was chatting with Bob Sickler, author of "The Detectorist". Asked him about how things were going, was he doing any detecting, etc.... Bob, while not as old as I, mentioned that he didn't get out that much anymore either, but said when he did he was using the old Garrett Groundhog VLT/TR machine, and still bringing home some neat stuff.

I also have my old Groundhog ADS, and will not part with it. It's in great shape, still works well, and is the epitome of "knob/switch" design. Can anyone say "reverse discrmination"?

My Groundhog ADS VLF/TR detector...a classic


I love Don Vicker's website Don's Metal Detecting Forum and noticed one of his topics was titled "Does Our Hobby Need a National Organization". Don, as you know just resigned as president of the Southwest Chapter, FMDAC, and I understand completely his frustration, and his reason for resigning. With all the technology available today, no one is using it to unite us all as one.

Don's idea? Form State organizations, and start from there. I like the idea, and in fact it was how the FMDAC started way back when. I wrote the following back in 1983 for Western & Eastern Treasures magazine...

I think Don's on to something here, and if you feel the same, contact Don at and offer your support. If anyone can make it happen, Don can.



Joe Cook finally got our detecting for the first time in many months. Joe, as you may remember has been battling cancer for six years, and as a result was not physically able to go beepin. Well he's doing better, and got out on the beach last week while on vacation and sent a couple photos. He didn't find much of anything to brag about, but said it felt real good to be out doing what he loved again. Willing to bet the next photos will be of something pretty cool...

Getting back in the swing of things....

Joe Cook and his lovely daughter Nina....

If want to drop Joe a line, email him at


Another great story from the The Lost My Stuff Group . Thanks to Robbie Morin for sending it. Check these guys out.... pretty cool idea.



Nice writeup here about Ken Briggs and the Three Seasons Treasure Hunter's Club, out of Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin. If you're interested in knowing more about this club be sure to check their website . It's well done and offers a lot of information.


July 1, 2011


Sir John Howland from the South of England has spoken again, and you can find his latest diatribe here . More rants, more cusring and even some interesting stuff. One never knows what he will come out with...... but it's always worth reading.



The 4th of July is one of those holidays that makes us realize just how lucky we are to be living in the United States of America. A place where, despite your political differences, your religion, your nationality, your wealth, you can stand up and say what is on your mind without fear of recrimination. As simple as that may sound there are millions of people around the world who do not have the same privilege, so while indulging yourself this weekend remember our troops stationed abroad who are fighting those who wish to take that right away....

Lastly, eat some BBQ, a burger, a hot dog, drink a beer (a glass of red for me), enjoy the fireworks, and when your wife is not looking, sneak out and go detecting..... Happy Holiday!


June 28, 2011


Got an email today from Harry Niemeyer today, sharing a nice writeup he and Red Craft had in the the local paper. Harry and Red are members of the Beaver County Detecting Club, just a little north of Pittsburgh..

The club meets the first Thursday of each month at the Kings Restaurant in Monaca, Pennsylvania, at 7PM. The club started back in November of 2007 with four members and now boasts over thirty. Harry said "We are somewhat different in that we do not run a rigid meeting; it just flows along with many interruptions and off the cuff chat. From a boring meeting we have turned it into a fun one".

Amazingly these small town newspaper writeups do a lot to promote our pastime in that they are positive pictures of us and what we do. Guess what I am trying to say is that we are not grave robbers, and merely people from all walks of life who just enjoy the hell out of finding old things. I have a feeling there are lots of clubs out there who could get the same writeup for their organization, IF they just approached the local newspapers. Remember too that newspapers are always in need of things to write about, and human interest stories often work out well for them.

Thanks Harry for sharing this, and please say hi to everyone in the Beaver County Detecting Club..... Likewise, if you live in or near Beaver County and want to know more about the club please email Harry at



Haven't been out detecting in about three weeks, and with this forecast , it looks like it will be a while. Welcome to Texas!



I am often asked, what is the best thing you’ve ever found, and what do think is the best detector out there. Amazingly the answers are very much related.

The best finds I’ve ever found are varied, depending on the period in my life when I found them, and of course how they related to my prior finds. By that I mean if I found a Liberty Seated Dime on Monday, then found a Capped Bust Dime on Tuesday, the Capped Bust coin would win out. Likewise the detector I used to find it would be the best on the market. Make sense?

Early 80's and my trusty 6000di Series 2

Way back when I started metal detecting I used to ask the same questions, used to spend evenings at the dining room table, bench testing whatever detector I had at the time. I would keep notes, wave coins, pulltabs, bottlecaps under the coil, and try to ascertain where they read on the meter and what they sounded like audibly. I was obsessed with the pastime and enjoyed every moment.

I would like to say I still do these things, but I do not. Not that they are not valid, but because I found myself getting caught up in this excessive analysis that often left me confused and frustrated. Technology is changing daily, and metal detectors are part of that trend. What we know today will be old hat tomorrow.

Do yourself a favor, and spend more of your time finding someplace to take your detector, and less time worrying about whether or not it’s the best at that moment.



When I first started detecting back in the late 70's there were very few club hunts. At least club hunts open to others.... Mostly local clubs got together on a Sunday, detected a local park, had a picnic, and that was it. There were a few large hunts out there as in the International Treasure Hunters Championship, sponsored by Garrett Electronics. It attracted hundreds, and was a great event. Grand prize one year was a brand new pickup.

Today it seems as though every club has an open event, and unfortunately the attendance at these events keep dropping. The answer is really quite simple. The economy is bad, lots of people unemployed, gas is expensive and the price of silver is out of site.

So what is the answer? I don't know, but just maybe you all need to think about waiting a year or two to see where things stand. Hold you member hunts, and have fun with that, but trying to attract hundreds of others to your event is almost an effort in futility. More and more detectorists are starting to analyze the pro's and con's of these events, and more and more they are choosing to stay home, or become extremely selective about those they will attend. Hard to justify spending $100 for the entrance fee, $100 for lodging, $100 for gas, and maybe $50 for food, when you "might" come home with a few silver coins and "maybe" a detector"

Of course it's hard to put a price on the comraderie, and fun you will have, but again, given today's economic situation, it's becoming an easy choice for most to make.....

Early FMDAC Hunts were chock full
of prizes...TV's, Motorscooters,etc...
Grand prize one year? A brand new Ford
Mustang, presented here by VP Harry Bodofsky
You never knew what you would find
as in a bag of 5,000 uncirculated pennies...

Harry Bodofsky and Cliff Steffens were in charge of the hunts for the FMDAC in the first few years, and they were terrific. They spent days and nights coming up with unique ideas and it wasn't unusual to get a call from them at 11PM, asking me what I thought of this or that. They were not only gathering prizes, they were coming up with off-the-wall ways to win them. Can remember Harry closing out our Atlantic City banquet with a warning to all who were in the hunt the next day....."Look at everything you dig tomorrow, and be careful what you throw away". Why did he say this? Because many of the better prizes were only winnable by having pulltabs, bottlecaps that were colored, and/or numbered.

Each year Harry and Cliff would bury bags of coins, obtained from the bank. A $50 bag of uncirculated pennies would always throw off that hunter who wanted to bypass that very large signal. We gave away detectors, motor scooters, TV's, gold coins, treasure chests filled with cash, and one year a brand new Ford Mustang. What made that grand prize so interesting is that we buried twenty numbered tokens, all worth a shot at winning the car. The token numbers were called out, the holder had to choose a key from twenty in a bowl (only one would work). Believe it or not the winner was the 18th token called (I was sweating bullets that something had gone awry).

If you have a suggestions on how to make these events more affordable and more fun email me and let me know. Just maybe it can help a club or two out there..... You can email me at



Gotta feeling the folks in Garland love these stories.... What do you think?


Purple Heart Found

16th Century Silver Button

Gold Ring From 1800's Found in Maine



Whenever Fay and I want a quick pasta meal we make Lemon Spaghetti. Couple of indredients, and can be prepared quickly. If you are interested click on the Poor Gourmand and scroll to the very bottom for the recipe.


June 23, 2011


On June 15th and 16th the Texas Council of Treasure Clubs once again traveled to the Texas Lions Camp for Disabled Children to demonstrate not only their detecting pastime, but their love and caring for all those who attend the camp. Keith Wills started this program sixteen years ago, and it's an event that not only the campers look forward to but the members of the Council do as well.

Thank you Keith Wills and all the members of the TCTC for giving your time to do this. Helping Keith this year:

Blaine Nelson, Don Crawford, Don Bowker, Amancio Canto, Joslyn Ronan, Danny McHatton, Lloyd Smith, Alan Euquist, Daniel Mireles, Susie Mireles, Scott Hegel, Larry Vickers, and Tom & Peg Rifleman. Thanks also to Garrett Metal Detectors who donated 12 Ace metal detectors to the camp a couple of years ago.

Each year the Council collects foreign coins, toy cars and pieces of inexpensive jewelry from clubs all over the country, and uses them as targets in this event. If you would like to help out and donate similiar items please send them to:

Keith Wills
1495 FM 49
Gilmer, Texas 75644

To learn more about the Texas Lions Camp, click here.


Most everyone who's visited this site for any time knows who John Howland is, and what the Malamute Saloon is all about. I still however get one or two emails inquiring about this rants and sordid humor. So..... let me try to explain, and remember, despite our long friendship, get-together's, he is one of a kind, and his own man. He has gotten me into trouble more times then I care to remember.

Way back in the early 80's, when I was trying to promote the need for a national organization (FMDAC), I received a letter from George McCrae, the CEO of White's Electronics, in Inverness, Scotland. He had read the few articles I had offered up, and suggested I contact the National Council for Metal Detecting in England, and in particular Gerald Costello and John Howland. George felt certain that they could give me direction and assistance in my efforts, and he was dead on. John was chairman of the Special Purposes committee, Gerald was the General Secretary, and between them I was able to learn a great deal about organizing the pastime.

Gerald Costello, Dennis Buchanon and John Howland
greeting the FMDAC Bus in Bath, England, 1987

Over time I lost touch with Gerald, but John continued to bug the hell out of me, and I just couldn't shake the guy. What a royal pain in the ass! In any case we became detecting buddies, connessieurs of good food and wine, and continue in that mode as of today. He and his lovely wife Margaret have spent time with Fay and I here in the colonies, and we too have spent time with them in the Motherland.

John taught me early on the trick to hunting those very old areas in the UK. One evening, while sharing a pint or two of ale in a pub he invited me, Bob Podhrasky (Chief Engineer at Garrett), and Gerald Costello to hunt one of "his" Roman sites close-by. He promised we would find a few neat things. We took him up on the offer, and agreed to meet at the pub the next morning.

When we met in the morning, John requested that we follow him to a nearby store where he purchased a bottle of very good single malt scotch. Bob and I were sitting there saying "Damn this guy never thinks of anything else. Morning, noon and night, he's thirsty"

We then drove about five miles to this lovely old stone farmhouse surrounded by acres of open fields, and watched John get out of his car and knock on the door. Soon an older gentleman opened the door, and John started chatting away. After a minute or two it was obvious that the old guy hadn't a clue who the hell John was. We watched this back and forth for about five or ten minutes, thinking that this hunt was over before it begin, when suddenly John ran back to his car, pulled out the bottle of single malt, and proudly presented it to the old man at the door. It was as if fireworks went off. The old man lit up like a neon sign, came out, welcomed all of us like long lost brothers and walked us to the fields. All we needed was the price of admission!!

John's Visa to the US is a bottle of single Malt Scotch,
and frankly the only reason I pick him up at the airport!

When John and Gerald first came to the states it was to speak at our convention, John insisted he wanted his photo taken with a cop. The request baffled us but we fulfilled his wish with the photo you see below. Later it dawned on me that this request wasn't as strange as it seemed, when I came across a photo of Fay and I taken with a Bobbie in London.

Gerald Costello on the left, John Howland on
the right and the cop in the middle

I have a lot of respect for John, both as a detectorist and as an author. Many of you are not aware of his other writings but he is extremely well versed in Espionage and the Cold War. His one book Treasures from British Waters (published by Ram Books), is one of the best on the subject and still floating around out there on the net. Other then that he is capable of baffling the most knowledgeable people in the world (i.e., the British Archeological community). Back in the early days of the NCMD, John would meet with the opposition, beat them over the head with facts that they were unable to counter, and Gerald Costello would then waltz into the room, and get their needs met. The heavy and the smooth talking if you will.

John makes no bones about his views and his opinions, even if it means offending people. I like that, and it has kept me from buckling under the pressure a few times, expecially over the past couple of years. His upbeat encouragement has kept me in this game time after time, and trust me, there were moments when I just wanted to pack it in. It may be a pastime or hobby to many of you, however it was once my livelihood and what I did for a living. Working within the industry opened my eyes to a lot of things....some good, some not.

So.... when I came up with the idea of a website I immediately thought of Bubba in the South of England. I asked, he accepted and insisted on the Malamute Saloon title. Why? Who the hell knows? He likes his cockney slang, and Pistol Pete and Dead Eyed Dick seemed a good fit. The Malamute Saloon link is one of the most visited here and I appreciate all he has done for Stout Standards.

Over the years I have found John Howland is very rude and crude, often obscene, usually drunk, and a helluva lot of fun to be around.....

If you care to contact John you do so at your own peril by emailing



When the FMDAC attended the Longleat Rally back in 1987 it was because of Melinda Hazelman, Bruce's better half and most certainy the better looking half. Melinda took control of the trip, and organized everything from our varied flights here in he US, to our Tour Coach, our hotel and our side trips. Doing all this for fifty people from all over the country was not an easy task, and I will be forever indebted to her.

Bruce and Joe Cook were and still are inseparable detecting buddies. Melinda? Never turned one on, but since we were all automatically entered in the two day rally she decided to give it a whirl with Bruce supplying one of his older machines for the occassion. She held up like a trooper during the long two day event, and became somewhat of a convert to the pastime, enduring rain, some mud, and a lot of hiking up and down hills.

In between one of the hunts we ventured into a tent, and found magnificent displays of ancient finds put together by the various member clubs in the UK. I can't remember who came up with the idea or should I say scam, but we found John Howland, and he persuaded one of the members to part with a very, old and rare roman coin for an hour or two. We pulled Melinda aside, and laid out the plan.... During the next event she was to dig a hole, scream excitedly and hold up her find. Needless to say we all made sure to be closeby for this ploy.

Soon after the next hunt began, Melinda played her role magnificently, and Bruce came running to check out her find. He looked at the coin, got a little flush in the face, and was obviously quite jealous. He asked a few Brits the area what the coin was, and of course they all recognized it as a very rare and important find,, putting a very high price tag on it. Those of us privy to this prank went over to Melinda, congratulated her, asked her where she found it, and could she share her detector settings with us. Bruce, was trying to play the role of the proud husband, but was obviously pissed about the whole incident. It was only later that day when we let him on the fun. Needless to say we all waited for retaliation, but he evidently he saw the humor in it and all we were spared.

Melinda Hazelman with
her rare Roman find
Bruce, trying to be a good sport
but obviously just a little jealous


Nigel Ingram from Regton, Ltd. sent along the following update on the state of the Staffordshire hoard.....



White's Electronics just came out with a new model. The Spectra VX3 is a toned down version of the V3i, but still offers the depth capabilities of the higher end machine. Bottom line? Much easier to operate!

Now if I could only persuade them to put this package into the Prizm design configuration?


June 19, 2011


Sad day for sure! Just saw the following on Don Vickers website....

To the National Officers of the FMDAC,

I am advising you that effective as of today I resign my position as FMDAC South West Chapter President. I plan on remaining FMDAC Web Administrator for the foreseeable future or until asked to step down.

My wife Becky Vickers is also announcing her resignation as FMDAC South West Chapter Secretary effective today.

The reason for our resignation is due to the lack of communication between the National Officers and the clubs and individuals of the FMDAC. It is not only the officers but the clubs and individuals have also lost interest in the organization and we don’t care to be officers of an organization that no longer is effective in the hobby of metal detecting.

Becky and I will remain members of the FMDAC and support it when and where possible.

Respectfully Submitted,

Don Vickers

My comments.....

The FMDAC has lost another good respected officer and individual. What will it take for this organization to wake up and start taking notice. Don you will be missed greatly. Please be sure to visit Don's's a good one!


Hello Dick,

Despite the recent horrible show of support in NYC, what I think we need to do is to thank The Task Force for Metal Detecting Rights. Although I am not familiar with all the members, I do know the Task Force President, Harold Lowenfels. I have known Harold and his wife Fran and there fine family for about twenty years. Harold and family have always metal detected together and Harold and Fran taught their boys the correct way to detect and retrieve targets, the proper way to ask permission to hunt a site and how to be great representatives of our hobby. It was always nice to see the Lowenfels out detecting together and to watch how excited Harold would get when one of the boys would discover a great find. They have always been involved with The East Coast Research and Discovery Association, their local Treasure hunting club, and as soon as the problems started in NYC, Harold was there volunteering his time. Reminds me of a slightly younger Dick Stout!

It does not surprise me one bit to come back to this hobby after an extended time away and see that Harold (and if you watch the videos, Fran also) is not only still involved, but has taken the lead in the fight to reopen the NYC parks. Without people like him (and you) our hobby would have died a long time ago. In my book, Harold deserves to be nominated and elected Treasure Hunter of the Year!

And I think that all the members of the Task Force deserve a big THANK YOU for all their efforts! I only wish that they would receive some much needed help from the detecting public. All I can say is, “Wake up folks, they can’t do it alone!!!”

That’s just my opinion.... Keep up the great work.

Joe, The old grouch in NJ
Joe Cook was president of the Federation of Metal Detector & Archeological Clubs back in the late 80's and early 90's, and one of the truly "good guys" out there....


My pal Robbie Morin from Houston told me about The Lost My Stuff Group and I have become a fan. I love the concept, and all that it can do to further our stature. Take a look at the recent posting and imagine it on a larger scale. While it's apparently a new site and in need of more recognition I hope you will make a favorite of yours and pass it along to your friends.



Found this Army Site and thought it was neat that the Marine was photographed holding a detector. Carry on....



I like this article because for too long we have been the old farts patrolling the beach, turning up pennies, dimes, etc... We know better, and I am glad that others are starting to take notice, although I hope the competition does not increase. They can laugh at us, and call us names all they want....just continue to sunbath, swim, tan, read, relax, romp, show your muscles, show your tan, but if you lose your valuables, it's not our fault. Read more here.



Today I received a package from an old friend. It contained a few photos and pages from the early FMDAC Quest Newsletters.

Way back when.... when I was promoting and organizing the FMDAC, I met John Repa. John was a member of the Black Diamond Club back then, as well as others in the central Pennsylvania area. He was a delegate from that club, and attended every single meeting we had, no matter the location. He was also the guy you could count on to take on a task and know that it would not only be taken care of, but taken care of in a first class manner.

If you attended any of the hunts or shows back in the early days you knew John. Didn't matter the distance...he would be there, and he would alwyas be instrumental in insuring it's success. When the FMDAC was in it's infancy we were growing in leaps and bounds, and a lot of that can was because of John's presence, handing our our newsletters and promoting our efforts. He would drive across the country on a moment's notice, and never asked for remuneration. Likewise at our conventions John always seemed to be at the right place at the right time, handling anything that came up.

If it sounds as thought I am trumpeting his virtures, well I am. John is a real gentleman, and a real asset to our pastime. Will never forget his softspoken nature, his willingness to do whatever was needed, and most importantly, the smell of that pipe. We could use a lot of John Repa's out there me.

A few of the photos John sent along....hope all you old timers remember. Thanks John and stay well.....

Just some of the winners, FMDAC
Convention, Reno, Nevada
Aeiral view of FMDAC Hunt
Atlantic City, New Jersey
Dick Tichian, photographer
and John Punola
John Repa, left and John Miller, right
with winners of prizes, Treasure Expo
Ben Myers and Ed Fedory
FMDAC Convention late 80's
Prize Winners, Federation Treasure
Weekend, Atlantic City

John, also sent along a few pages from early Quest newsletters, those that I typed, reproduced and sent out to the membership. Jeezus what I would have given for the PC technology of today. Then again, that's what makes the journey all that more remarkable. Here's an article the late Karl von Mueller wrote for us in the mid 80's.....

If you would like to get in touch with John you can email him at





Once again thanks to Nigel Ingram at Regton, Ltd. for bringing this story to my attention. Just another good story about those who go beeping... Read more here .



Part of having a website is that there’s a need to share things of interest to those who might visit. A need to put out there something worthwhile, and a need to make sure they return again. Given my current situation, my age, and my aches and pains, that is not an easy thing to do.

As a result I often share a lot of interpersonal things, thoughts, memories, "brainfarts", whatever. I understand they may not be of interest to you, and if so I apologize, I think? I want to detect more, and I want to share those experiences with you. Not because you will necessarily become a better detectorist, but because that’s why you visit here. Unfortunately I cannot guarantee that.

I feel fairly certain that I would be detecting every moment, every day if I were still living back East. Excuse? Maybe, but you would have had to walk in my shoes to understand. Texas is “just different”... In so many ways.

So Stout Standards is a mishmash of a lot of things, a lot of experiences and a lot of learning. For 35 years I have found a lot of neat things, had a lot of fun, and met a lot of great people, many of which I am still in touch with.

I mention all this now because if you came here expecting to find a secret, unforetold method for finding coins, gold or some secret insight on how to adjust the settings on your detector, you are in the wrong place. Hell, I have looking for those same things for years....

I am, and have been, a longtime White’s fan, and I currently use the MXT and V3. I also love using the preset programs. They work for me, and I don’t care to spend a lot of time studying manuals, pushing pads, tweaking this, tweaking that. I just want to get in my car, drive to a site, and start detecting.

I do however spend a lot of time researching places to detect, because it’s paid off in big ways over the years. If you get to that site first and it won’t matter what detector you have, or how long you’ve participated. You will have fun.

So, some forewarning.... I may bore you to death with my mindless ramblings, and John Howland’s x-rated posts might set you back some, but that’s that’s just the way it is. Stout Standards is void of advertising (not that I wanted it that way) and I have thought more than a few times about taking it down. Instead I’ve decided to beat you over the head with trivial BS, and mundane posts and videos.

If you can offer any substance to my website please send it along..... I welcome it. Finds, product reviews, techniques, how-to’s, etc.. Please, however, do not send me messages telling me how much you dislike Stout Standards. If you do I will forward your email to John Howland, and at that point I take no responsibility for what happens after.....



June 14, 2011


I received the following summary of this meeting from Harold Lowenfels last night......

"While one hour had been budgeted for our meeting by the parks department, it actually lasted approximately 75 minutes. The meeting was non-confrontational in nature as the task force used a reasoned approach, backed up by written materials from recognized authorities where available and applicable. One thing which we wanted to do, but which the parks department did not permit us to do, was to have them witness an actual target recovery. Nevertheless, the task force got the impression that there might be some yield in the parks department positions, especially with respect to the arbitrary 50' rule, where suggestions from the task force were actually sought. We expect that it may be several weeks before we know if any progress can be made on this or any of the other agenda items that were discussed. We will keep you in the loop as we learn more."

"The task force wants to take this opportunity to once again thank you for your personal support and persistent efforts to gain more widespread support from the detecting community. This time, we achieved a moderate level of success in this regard. The task force also wants to thank all that see the merit in what we are trying to accomplish and actually took the time to write a personal email in support of the task force to Commissioner Benepe. Ultimately, all that enjoy and wish to see the proliferation of the pastime of metal detecting, will benefit from your efforts today."

My comments

While it would have been great to have seen some sort of immediate change, it's a first step, and I applaud the taskforce for it's careful planning and it's persistence. I also want to personally thank all of you who contacted the commission to show your support. We must continue to fight for our right to pursue our pastime, and we need to support our fellow detectorists, no matter where they live. You know how much you enjoy the pastime...imagine how you would feel if you were told you couldn't?


Just got an update from the Bubba across the pond, and think you will enjoy it. He not only shares some very useful information, but some off-the-wall, totally useless drivel as well. He continues to amaze and baffle me with this BS. He's his own one man band I swear! I warn you to read at your own risk. One of these days I will tell you about the Sir John I know, and it will totally blow your mind!

Click here to read more.....


In John's latest blurb he mentions that he collects Garrett memorabillia, and it made me think of a few items that I have that mean a great deal to me.... One is the desk set given to me by FMDAC members when I moved to Texas in 1988. Another is the handmade rosewood box presented to me in 1987 by Western & Eastern Treasures, and engraved with Treasure Hunter of the Year.

Also very special to me are the tankards we used in 1986 to announce the formation of the "World Council for Metal Detecting". Toasting with me that night.... John Howland, Gerald Costello, from the National Council for Metal Detecting in England, and Don Cyr, president of the Candaian Metal Detecting Association. The pewter tankard was presented to me by The Searcher Magazine (UK). The following year we held our first formal meeting at Longleat Castle in the UK prior to the First World Championship.

When I look back it's amazing what we accomplished in so short a time!! Today? We cannot even muster more than 13 detectorists for a rally in New York City. What has happened to our enthusiasm? Why are we so divided, and forgive me for saying this, but what happened to the FMDAC?



John McCann once again sent along another great story, and one that needs to see more publicity. To the Dayton Diggers Club, thank you very, very much.... Please read the story here, and be sure to view the video .



Given this forecast, it appears I will be researching some instead of digging. Welcome to Texas!


June 11, 2011


As you know the NYC Taskforce is having a meeting Monday with the Parks Commission, and I thank the few of you who emailed in support of their position. There are always those who make the effort, and it's appreciated. Unfortunately the majority not only don't make the effort, they don't even care.

I became involved in the Taskforce's efforts over the past month, and thought I could help in some way. I am not sure that I did, but I at least tried. How many of you can say the same?

Why get so involved in this one effort? Because it's New York City folks. The Big Apple! Can't you understand how important it would be for the entire pastime if we were to win concessions there? How many of you might be able to go to your local parks commission and say that we are allowed to hunt in New York City...why not here?

I tend to be "over the top" with things like this, and as a result have taken a lot of flak from others, especially on the many forums out there. Evidently they are only for "look at what I found today" and/or "which pinpointer is best" postings. Throw in something else? You might get 150 views, but only two responses, and you are lucky if they are positive.

On one forum a poster asked me to post my letter to the Parks Commission so that others could copy and paste.... Do you really not have ten minutes to compose a short note, and do you think that those on the other end do not see the vagueness is receiving the same correspondence, word for word? Are we not better than that?

After posting the outcome of the June 1st Rally on another forum one poster stated "No offense, but not a great job in organizing a rally. I've seen kids lemonade stands draw more attention. If you don't have a large turnout it's not a rally, this wouldn't even rate as a tea social." This poster also lived in New Jersey.....

Angry? You bet! I tend to remember names like Bodofsky, Lenk, Abramo, Ray, Cook, Hazleman, Sweetland, Laub and Repa. Original FMDAC members who gave so much to promote this pastime, and today we can only scare up 13 people to fight for our rights in New York City.

FMDAC delegates, 1984

I sincerely hope karma doesn't come back and bite those of you who don't have the time to get involved in such efforts. If attitudes don't change and change fast, we will have nowhere to go very soon.

Done venting. I will get back to you all with the results of the Monday meeting when I hear back from the Taskforce. In the meantime you still have time to voice your concerns.

phone: 212 360-1305 or 212 360-8111

If you email, please copy the Taskforce at Be sure to pass this along to all your club members as well.

Not a lot to report this time around. Was back east for a couple of days, and with the current temps here nearing 100, suspect I will not be out detecting for a while..... Yep, I am a wimp!


Thanks to Nigel at Regton, Ltd. for the following article. Amazing what we can do isn't it?


Thanks also to Robbie Morin for making me aware of the following site..... The Lost My Stuff Group website is designed to help people find their lost valuables via our metal detecting expertise. I love the concept, and hope it becomes successful. Please be sure to check it out, and also to offer your services. A great idea and a great way to promote our pastime.


Chicago Ron once again gets the juices flowing......


June 9, 2011


Give the dismal turnout at the NYC Rally I suspect this will turn on deaf ears, but I care and so I will ask again.....

The Task Force will meet with the Parks Commission this Monday, June 13th. That gives us all three days to email or call them to express our support for the detectorists in the Big Apple. Understand that this requires about five or ten minutes of your time, at home, in front of your computer, sitting on your ass, and doesn't cost you a cent. I say this because prior pleas for help went for naught. I want to think that you might find it in you to respond this time around, but I am not holding my breath. Prove me wrong please.....

phone: 212 360-1305 or 212 360-8111
Will be back here with more things on Saturday......


June 5, 2011

Sorry to be so late getting anything up here....experienced another passing with the family. 2011 has not been a good year thus far.



Wanted to share the synopsis or overview of the rally as sent to me by Harold Lowenfels right after the rally.....

Led by the Task Force for Metal Detecting Rights, a rally was held today at the Central Park Arsenal in New York. The turnout for this rally was extremely disappointing. as only 13 detectorists participated, 5 of which were members of the task force. Despite this meager turnout, the goals of the rally were met. One goal of today's rally was to educate as many members of the public as possible about the recreation of responsible metal detecting and the many benefits this hobby provides to the parks. This was accomplished by handing out fliers and conversing with all that showed any interest in what we do. A second goal was to arrange for another meeting between the parks department and the task force to try to improve permit conditions, get metal detecting listed as a regulated use rather than a prohibited use as it currently is, and gain access to more parks. Although not yet scheduled, a meeting is being arranged. This was accomplished when the five members of the task force, who were present,walked into the Arsenal and asked to meet with the Commissioner. We were told that the Commissioner was not in the office, but after some discussion, the promise of a meeting was arranged.


New York, NY - The Task Force for Metal Detecting Rights (TFMDR), sponsored a rally at New York City Parks Department headquarters, located inside the historic "Arsenal" building, in Central Park. The "Rally for Rights," took place on Wednesday, June 1, 2011, and achieved its goals of creating greater awareness of our hobby and opening a positive dialogue with the NYC Parks Department.

Task Force members, and metal detectorists from New York City and the Tri-State area, successfully got their message out to the NYC Parks Department - and hundreds of Central Park visitors, explaining the many benefits our hobby provides to our parks and fellow citizens. Task Force organizers were also successful in arranging a future meeting with the Parks Department. TFMDR organizers will discuss their desire to participate in making and reviewing future metal detecting rules and regulations; improving and streamlining metal detecting permit procedures and requirements; removing metal detecting from "prohibited" status in many NYC parks; reversing arbitrary rules that prohibit metal detecting "within 50-feet" of a plant or tree; and gaining access to more NYC parks.

The Task Force for Metal Detecting Rights, is a non-profit organization dedicated to the hobby of Metal Detecting - a wholesome, family oriented activity that can be pursued by young and old alike. TFMDR advocates for the public's right to pursue our hobby on public lands and in our parks. For more information on how to join or become active in your City or State, email Harold Lowenfels:

Other Ways to Contact the Commisioner

By mail: Commissioner Adrian Benepe The Arsenal, Central Park 830 Fifth Ave. New York, N.Y. 10065


phone: 212 360-1305 or 212 360-8111

Avery Marder, the co-chairperson for the Task Force, also contacted me and has asked for everyone to email the Parks Commissioner Adrian Benepe, and to COPY the task force when you do. Their email is Be sure to pass this along to all your club members as well.

As you will see from this article , other groups are facing the same situation within the city. We must work hard on this partcular situation before New York city is the model for bans elsewhere, and don't think others aren't already looking at it that way!


Roman Ring Discovered in Field
Redrawing the Acient Maps of England


Was reading Ty Brook's "Tech Talk" (Western & Eastern Treasures magazine), and damn if he didn't reenforce my feelings about my perfect detector. Basicially he was comparing the microprocessor models of today with those of years ago. One statement he made..."My first experience with electronics was in my teen years, and I completed electronics school in 1958, which might explain why I am so partial to knobs, mechanical switches and analog meters."

"We old timers just want to turn on the detector and hunt", and lastly, "I've searched for that detector for more years than I care to remember, and as yet haven't found it."

There you go....must be something happens when you get old. I emailed Ty about all this, and he responded "I should have added; and this old timer wants a detector that is extremely lightweight".

All of this will fall on deaf ears, and I can appreciate it. Sure it's much like comparing the old TR models with the BFO predecessors. Someday you will all be chatting about how good the microprocessor detectors were compared to the "laser" or "nuclear" models. All of this is makes for a lot of fun and food for thought. Let the debates begin.

Sidenote to White's.....give me MXT performance in a super small and lightweight detector with the "S" configuration. Don't even need the meter. Let me turn it on and go.....



When I started this posting I was going to just post the particulars about the New York City Rally, and not expound on my anger. After all, who am I to judge, and why should it bother me? Well, here I am, and after a glass or two of red, I am ready to let loose.....

First, forgive me for being older than most of you, and forgive me for being judgemental of you. I have no right to do that, and certainly have no claim to more knowledge than you. I too am just a guy who enjoys metal detecting, and get out when I can, hoping to find that silver coin or two. Having said all this, if the majority of hobbyists do not get their act together soon, we won't have a pastime.....

Much of what was green years ago, is gray. Hard and gray, as in concrete. Next we have the environmentalists. Their goal? To keep everything green to the extreme. Add in to this the archaeological community, whose goal is send us into extinction, and we are in deep trouble. All this doesn't affect me as much as it affects those more active in the pastime, and those just entering. I have found my treasures, and while I hope to find more, if I don't I will have had a helluva lot of fun for a lot of years.


What bothers me most about this group is that they do not want YOU nor I to find anything before THEY do. They want areas and sites put off limits to detectorists because they MAY be historical, or MAY hold artifacts critical to our past. My question has always been when are THEY going to get to these areas?

How many instances do we need where detectorists have found/discovered caches or hoards that set precedent with respect to historical research. If they hadn't been detected, recovered, how long, if ever, would they have remained buried? How many sites would not have been recorded for posterity had it not been for the guy or gal with the metal detector?

I cannot prove that there is a concerted effort to elminate our pastime, but I can say that if we do not wake up, and stand up for what it is we do, we won't have one two years down the road.

If this hobby, sport or pastime, cannot bring together more than 13 people to protest in New York City, just what the hell can we do? We are not just small, we are weaklings to boot!

Visit your websites, your forums, and BS to your heart's content, but if you cannot find a way to answer someone's request for help so that they too can enjoy the pastime, you are nothing more than an accomplice to the enemy!

Heading back East tomorrow for memorial services, and hope to return mid-week..... Keep em' beepin!


June 1, 2011

Quick update on the NYC Rally today..... will have more detailed information in a day or two. Thank you to Harold Lowenfels, Carter Pennington, John Marches and Terry Soloman for keeping me updated. Bottom line....poor turnout, but pretty good results. A meeting has been scheduled with the powers to be. ...

The first video below is from the Task Force's 2009 Rally, and the second is from today..... Love the energy these folks have and feel for their plight. I am however extremely disappointed in the lack of support they are getting from the metal detectng community at large....



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